This was very well written, and I enjoyed the quotations from the fathers, but unfortunately your scholarship of Luther was very misleading. Luther believed that the Eucharist delivered the once and for all sacrifice of God's very body and blood. He disputed that it was an 'active' sacrifice that the priest 'enacts.' Lutherans believe that the Eucharist is God's very body and blood sacrificed for us. It is the presentation of the paschal sacrifice. We make a distinction that it is not a new sacrifice every time we partake, which you even see in the quote you used. Luther says that the only sacrifice in the New Testament is that of the Cross. The Eucharist, according to Luther, gives us the body and blood that was on the sacrifice of the cross. But that does not make the liturgy of the mass an act of sacrifice, but rather an act of being 'served' the 'benefits' of the sacrifice. There's still plenty to disagree on between traditions here, but please do not use quotes from the fathers that Luther and Lutherans fully agree with in a context that makes us look like we don't believe in the actual, physical presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Again, there's plenty to disagree still, but don't misrepresent the Lutheran side.
I was about to say! Although I love that Lewis is, as Ive been closely seeing, very patristic in the way he thinks and this is mentioned here, it did annoy me the straw man. I really try to understand why Orthodox and Catholic onliners do this, because I become very annoyed when people do the same with both the Catholic and Orthodox, and yet oftentimes it is never done EO to us..
This was very well written, and I enjoyed the quotations from the fathers, but unfortunately your scholarship of Luther was very misleading. Luther believed that the Eucharist delivered the once and for all sacrifice of God's very body and blood. He disputed that it was an 'active' sacrifice that the priest 'enacts.' Lutherans believe that the Eucharist is God's very body and blood sacrificed for us. It is the presentation of the paschal sacrifice. We make a distinction that it is not a new sacrifice every time we partake, which you even see in the quote you used. Luther says that the only sacrifice in the New Testament is that of the Cross. The Eucharist, according to Luther, gives us the body and blood that was on the sacrifice of the cross. But that does not make the liturgy of the mass an act of sacrifice, but rather an act of being 'served' the 'benefits' of the sacrifice. There's still plenty to disagree on between traditions here, but please do not use quotes from the fathers that Luther and Lutherans fully agree with in a context that makes us look like we don't believe in the actual, physical presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Again, there's plenty to disagree still, but don't misrepresent the Lutheran side.
I was about to say! Although I love that Lewis is, as Ive been closely seeing, very patristic in the way he thinks and this is mentioned here, it did annoy me the straw man. I really try to understand why Orthodox and Catholic onliners do this, because I become very annoyed when people do the same with both the Catholic and Orthodox, and yet oftentimes it is never done EO to us..
Neither. You’re reenacting pagan cannibal rates. You people are fucking sick.
I feel you, man. All sides deserve to be represented well. We just have to stick to it and hope that by being charitable others will follow suite