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Ionathas's avatar

This was very well written, and I enjoyed the quotations from the fathers, but unfortunately your scholarship of Luther was very misleading. Luther believed that the Eucharist delivered the once and for all sacrifice of God's very body and blood. He disputed that it was an 'active' sacrifice that the priest 'enacts.' Lutherans believe that the Eucharist is God's very body and blood sacrificed for us. It is the presentation of the paschal sacrifice. We make a distinction that it is not a new sacrifice every time we partake, which you even see in the quote you used. Luther says that the only sacrifice in the New Testament is that of the Cross. The Eucharist, according to Luther, gives us the body and blood that was on the sacrifice of the cross. But that does not make the liturgy of the mass an act of sacrifice, but rather an act of being 'served' the 'benefits' of the sacrifice. There's still plenty to disagree on between traditions here, but please do not use quotes from the fathers that Luther and Lutherans fully agree with in a context that makes us look like we don't believe in the actual, physical presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Again, there's plenty to disagree still, but don't misrepresent the Lutheran side.

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This is a wonderful, meditative piece. As a lifelong Catholic, but one who, hopefully, has grown in his knowledge and understanding over the years (I know many who have rejected the Catholicism they learned in infant school - hardly surprising as they didn't bother to continue educating themselves in religious matters as one does with every other subject), it's very nourishing to read about subjects from the Orthodox point of view, backed by references to the Church Fathers. To me, one of the curious historical aspects of the Reformation was that the Reformers such as Luther or even Henry VIII - although I think power and money were main issues in his case - thought that they were separating from the Catholic Church and its beliefs, but in reality they were separating from the all the churches which trace their origins back to the Apostles i.e. the Orthodox churches, the Syriac church, the Coptic church etc. Though there are different traditions within these churches and the Latin tradition, fundamentally the core beliefs are the same. The differences are more like squabbles between brothers. Many Orthodox Patriarchs and Popes of recent years have acknowledged this. It's an entirely different case with Protestant churches which to some extent threw out the baby with the bathwater, not only in the case of the Eucharist, but also with other sacraments, Mary, the Theotokos or Mother of God as we recently celebrated with the anniversary of the Council of Nicea. Cardinal Newman became a Catholic, largely though his study of early church history. While I am a great admirer of C.S.Lewis (as was his friend Tolkien) I have always been puzzled by his inability to see the difference between what I call the 'original churches' and Protestant churches which felt they had to reinvent the wheel - which some would say is a very wobbly one. Although the Anglican Church did not welcome Leo XIII's declaration that Anglican orders are 'absolutely null and utterly void', it certainly made them think. After all, how would C.S. Lewis differentiate between the Eucharist in an Anglican Church where the officiating minster believes in the real presence and another where he believes its still just a piece of bread? As a Catholic friend of mine once rather naughtily whispered to me when we attended midnight mass in an Anglican Church, 'The lights are on, but no one's home'. Personally I love the Eastern churches as much as the Latin church. They are the real thing. I think it's sad and somewhat absurd that Catholics acknowledge the validity of orders, sacraments etc. of Orthodox and other Eastern churches but some Orthodox churches apparently think that all orders and sacraments apart from theirs are invalid.

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